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PID & autopilot configurations with samples.

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JuanTrillo

Hi, Juan!
I have cylops nova osd v 1.1 system - IR sensors, GPS, current sensor. Mainboard does not work - broken.
If i buy Icarus system, can i connect to this IR, current & GPS? You wrote - any GPS connected. But what about sensors?
Do you have datasheet for Icarus OSD system?
When will ground station option?
Thx!
Приветы, Вано!
У меня есть дохлый циклоп с живыми прибомбасами, можно ли их воткнуть в Икарус, есть ли разводка по подключению?
Когда будет станция слежения?
Спс!

JuanTrillo
I purchased X-5 flying wing is not taking off, only the tune.
The problem - in emulation mode when the GPS autopilot aileron not rejected.
thanks

Я купил X-5 летающее крыло, еще не летал, только настраиваю.
Проблема - в режиме эмуляции GPS при включении автопилота элероны не отклоняются.

I have not experience with nova osd. but:

Ikarus need any 5v standard NMEA gps. Try to identificate manufacturer and I will answer that question.

Ikarus use standard copilot Ir head. It has 4 IR sensors, and yours only 2. Maybe it´s possible to use this sensor for automatic “Z” calibrations. This function is avaible in ikarus but not yet test. It let to ikarus adjust gain automatic.

I dont know what xtra ground station option you need. Actually ground station in very complete includin decodify, view & save video & photos.

JuanTrillo

Hi, Juan!
I have cylops nova osd v 1.1 system - IR sensors, GPS, current sensor. Mainboard does not work - broken.
If i buy Icarus system, can i connect to this IR, current & GPS? You wrote - any GPS connected. But what about sensors?
Do you have datasheet for Icarus OSD system?
When will ground station option?
Thx!
Приветы, Вано!
У меня есть дохлый циклоп с живыми прибомбасами, можно ли их воткнуть в Икарус, есть ли разводка по подключению?
Когда будет станция слежения?
Спс!

JuanTrillo
I purchased X-5 flying wing is not taking off, only the tune.
The problem - in emulation mode when the GPS autopilot aileron not rejected.
thanks

Я купил X-5 летающее крыло, еще не летал, только настраиваю.
Проблема - в режиме эмуляции GPS при включении автопилота элероны не отклоняются.

Please detaill your problem I dont undestand “rejected” in this situation.

Question:

1. In manual mode Tx flaperon mix is all right?
2. Did you put manually flaperon mix in autopilot windows or it was be done by wizard?
3. Did yoy think that a local flaperon sample configuration can be usefull for you?

JuanTrillo
Trying to help.

I dont know what xtra ground station option you need.

I need in realtime gps coordinates from video signal, like as eagle tree, to build tracking system for directional antennas.
Мне нужны координаты самолета из видеосигнала как это сделано в Eagle Tree, для того, что бы изготовить систему слежения и использовать направленные антенны.

Мдя, еслиб так SAM 75 работал то Пауэрса до сих пор отлавливали.

Did you put manually flaperon mix in autopilot windows or it was be done by wizard?

was a wizard, and increased the PID, it works, thanks.

I need in realtime gps coordinates from video signal, like as eagle tree, to build tracking system for directional antennas.
Мне нужны координаты самолета из видеосигнала как это сделано в Eagle Tree, для того, что бы изготовить систему слежения и использовать направленные антенны.

We are finishing betatest os a new tracker for ikarus. It´s a usb device connected to pc that send in ttl12 levels info to pan & tilt. Only needed a tt12->ttl5 converter to drive both servos. Its robust and avaible in auto & manual mode. TT12 is enought robust to be conecter for several meters via an starndard rj45 cable for example. Yo only has to install two female RJ45 connector in tracker base and working station. Also possible use of standard VGA cable to add VCC for RXvideo & video signal. All, control, power, audio & video signal with only one quality cable.

comming soon.

JuanTrillo

was a wizard, and increased the PID, it works, thanks.

Please, read this PDF document to know exactly PID and autopilot adjust with formulation. It´s very usefull

JuanTrillo

Please, read this PDF document to know exactly PID and autopilot adjust with formulation. It´s very usefull

not understand it ))) translator translates bad
really want understand PID settings

is it possible to make the “auto tuning PID” or intellectual wizard?

not understand it ))) translator translates bad
really want understand PID settings

is it possible to make the “auto tuning PID” or intellectual wizard?

Those formulation let you know the output value in AIL / ELEV / RUD / MOTOR in function of:

• Selected “coordinated turn”
• Position of balaced turn between AIL/RUD
• Value of Rumbo AIL & ALTITUD ELEV
• Valued of P in PitchGain / RollGain / TailGain / MotorGain
• Valued of driveLim in PitchGain / RollGain / TailGain / MotorGain

Tail§ & Motor§ is used to indicate to ikarus how much to turn and elevate/descent
Pitch§ & Roll§ is used to indicate to ikarus pwm value to turn and elevate/descent needed to apply to servos.

Those informatios are showed using auxiliar instrument. So you can decide:

With more that 90º bearing error I want my plane turning with 25º and ailerons to 50% and tail 25% of total control travel in your TX/RX

JuanTrillo

Those formulation let you know the output value in AIL / ELEV / RUD / MOTOR in function of:

it is still very difficult for me.
you have a flying wing configuration screenshots?

Мдя, еслиб так SAM 75 работал то Пауэрса до сих пор отлавливали.

Что такое SAM 75 и кто такой Пауэрс? И кому эта реплика предназначалась?

We are finishing betatest os a new tracker for ikarus. It´s a usb device connected to pc that send in ttl12 levels info to pan & tilt. Only needed a tt12->ttl5 converter to drive both servos.

I do not understood - I must get computer for using pan/tilt station? Will you develop device like eagle tree pan/tilt tracking system?
Я не воткнул - надо тащит комп к станции? Будете делать устройство выделения сигнала и управления сервами как в игле?

Tell us about

autopilot config:
garancia copilot
giros - aileron and cola

If I fly and record video with the service osd, you can help me with the settings?

re: English translation
JuanTrillo Jul 21, 2011 2:47 am
Full manual, ready to be translated to french, english and russian will be avaible soon. It will include all new features of betas release.

when the Russian?

when the Russian?

ИМХО вы быстрее освоите Испанский нежели те Русский. Вон друзья Карвалан, Фидель по Русски мож что то и освоили а так не бум бум. Ну разве если только испанцы с русским родным а если через переводчик, тогда уж лучше на инглише там у них не большая разница.

Tell us about
autopilot config:
garancia copilot
giros - aileron and cola
If I fly and record video with the service osd, you can help me with the settings?
when the Russian?

OK. Install auxiliar instrument in a video and I will help you to optimize.
I usually turn only with aileron. So I select “giro coordinado” and move slider to full aileron. I like 20º turn max in roll and 15º max pitch.
Set all P=0,02 (maybe 0,025 is better) and all drivelim=1 . Finish with all I=Ilim=d=0

Estabilizar need:

X & Y ofsset: This is the horizontal electrical value.
garancia copilot: this is maxi amplitude of voltage.

So tipical FY20/FY30 & copilot values are 1,9

If you make bigger this value, artificial horizont seem slower than real. Less measure is readed. Real 10º and IR read 5º
If you make lower this value, artificial horizont seem faster than real. Bigger measure. Real 10º and IR read 20º

I hope you understand it.

JuanTrillo

it is still very difficult for me.
you have a flying wing configuration screenshots?

1. Select elevon mix in your TX
2. verify right directions of both servos
3. Make configure servos wizard. Verify that wizard detect two channel movement when test aileron & elevator. See text when finish at boton of wizard.
4. Verify STAB movement are right
5. verify AUTO movement of servos with gpsemulator or nmeagen. Both are NMEA emulators.

Ask any question you need.

JuanTrillo

TURN with TAIL and/or AILERONS in AUTO mode

1- If you want TURN only with tail with no actitude relation. (Turn only by error bearing) then deselect “giro coordinado” and leave rumbo ail=0

2- If you want TURN with tail with no actitude relation. (Turn only by error bearing) and ailerons to X max degrees then deselect “giro coordinado” and leave rumbo ail=X

3- If you want TURN with tail & ailerons with actitude X max degrees then match “giro coordinado” and leave rumbo ail=X. Balance proportion tail/ail with slider.

In all cases STAB is done with ailerons.

If you want separated PIDS value for STAB mode deselect “Heredar del PID” and set your own particular values. Those values will be only used in STAB mode.

JuanTrillo

Тоже хочу приобрести себе такую OSD.
Есть вопросы:

1. Можно ли использовать Futaba GYA 355 в качестве стабилизатора?
2. Можно ли применить GPS от Eagle Tree в сочетании с Ikarus. Насколько велика разница от использования рекомендуемых GPS-приемников.
3. Насколько подойдет система полета по точкам для полетов с разворотом на 180 градусов или сколько точек нужно задать, чтобы достичь приемлемый разворот?
   Заранее спасибо.

Тоже хочу приобрести себе такую OSD.
Есть вопросы:

1. Можно ли использовать Futaba GYA 355 в качестве стабилизатора?
2. Можно ли применить GPS от Eagle Tree в сочетании с Ikarus. Насколько велика разница от использования рекомендуемых GPS-приемников.
3. Насколько подойдет система полета по точкам для полетов с разворотом на 180 градусов или сколько точек нужно задать, чтобы достичь приемлемый разворот?
   Заранее спасибо.

1. We have not any experience using GYA Futabas Giros combined with ikarus.
2. It´s possible combine one gps with two or more OSDs. Only one must alimentate it. Use only ground & Tx in second and next osd connected.
3. Dont understand question. Can you reformulate it in english, please?

JT

3. Насколько подойдет система полета по точкам для полетов с разворотом на 180 градусов или сколько точек нужно задать, чтобы достичь приемлемый разворот?
   Заранее спасибо.

Heavy to translate. He ask how much points do we need for flight with OSD turn around by 180 degree . Something like that.

1. We have not any experience using GYA Futabas Giros combined with ikarus.

but with PIR sensors?

Heavy to translate. He ask how much points do we need for flight with OSD turn around by 180 degree . Something like that.
but with PIR sensors?

Ikarus can handle WP to force bearing and route. Only one wp it´s needed to turn back 180º.
detail PIR sensor. Similar to IR-InfraRed sensor?
JuanTrillo

Similar to IR-InfraRed sensor?

yep